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Ben Dixon's avatar

It's a fairly niche topic and I'm not sure how much academic work has been done looking explicitly at a comparison of the Western Rite mass to modern or ancient liturgies. But I'm not also not sure that is needed. You can grab a St. Andrews Service Book, which is the WR service book for the Antiochians, and analyze it next to Catholic and Anglican missals; looking at the texts side by side, the differences are minimal.

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“they would set up an iconostasis, the presence of which was, according to archeologists, nearly universal (contrary to the myths pushed on seemingly every Western Rite parish’s about us page)”

A footnote or authoritative source was conspicuously absent. This was especially notable given how absolutist and universal the claim is. As with many items, reality is often more complicated and nuanced.

For instance, a basic internet search turns up results indicating that the first item even remotely resembling an iconostasis in the historical record turns up in the 6th century when Saint Justinian rebuilt Hagia Sophia. Also, for what it’s worth, the YouTube video “The Failures of Eastern Orthodoxy” links to a clip at the approximately 37:10 mark, showing a clergyman acknowledging that the modern form iconostasis “is a very late development from Orthodox standards.” Granted, I’m not endorsing this video, or saying I agree with most, some, or any of its overall content. I just reference it to cite someone who says the opposite of the claim you make.

Full disclosure, I’m an Orthodox Christian that was entered the Church through an Antiochian parish and now attend an OCA parish in the south. Your note about prostrations on Sunday brought a slight smile to my face. I enjoy the Eastern Christian tradition, but also have a soft spot for the Western Rite. The worship style, hymnography, musical arrangement, and cultural patrimony of the Western Christian tradition, especially the English variant, has a distinctive pull as an American of Anglo-Celtic descent. In a similar vein, many at my current parish feel this strong affiliation for the Russian tradition and the Rus expression of the Orthodox Christian faith. For reasons particular to me, I have a stronger affinity for the Anglo-Celtic expression than that of Rus.

But I’ve already rambled on enough. Overall, this was a very well written and thought provoking piece that I enjoyed. The points I raised above would be better discussed in person over a shared drink or two. God Bless!

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